the goal is to avoid austerity and keep the economy moving and in the long run balance the budget, but it's not a short-term goal. >> jon: what about the interview, juan? stephanopoulos claims it was a no holds interview, but it's the charm offensive-- >> now what struck me that even on abc that night it was not the lead story in their own news show and when they got to it, the way they teased it was to say the president talks about the hacking scandal for michelle obama, the first lady. now, is that a clue that there's no news? yes, there was no news. i mean, basically, it is the president using that format, i think, and we saw this with the cbs interview so widely criticized, the 60 minutes interview, he uses the press in this way on his terms and i think this is what we're seeing succeed for him time and again. >> jon: go ahead. >> except, let's be honest, this is the president of the united states who as candidate called 6 trillion dollars unamerican, and 6 trillion dollars is unamerican, 16 trillion dollars is not american. i mean, this is the next level and yet, the media are act